Just look at what happened in Mecca, (which is now an enormous profit center with one of the world's tallest buildings in the form of a clock tower, (1,400 feet plus if I remember right) towering like a materialistic icon over what was supposed to be a place of reverence. While they were reveling in the filth of materialism and bilking Muslim pilgrims from poor countries out of every last cent, some high powered idiot caused a stampede by scaring the crap out of people, killed several thousand, and at first tried to whitewash it down to below 200. Why was that prince there? for the Hajj? that has to be done in steps, you can't just drop in, he was not there for religious reasons?
Saudi army blocked all access to hospitals. UPDATE: With 2,000 confirmed dead, some countries are reporting that only 20 percent of missing people are accounted for, which means the death toll could go much higher than 2,000. This is an impossible scenario absent a massive panic - possibly caused on purpose.
The massive security forces (150 heavily armed security officers) accompanying an un scheduled visit by a Saudi Prince caused a mass panic.
As I predicted, the death toll has now hit 2,000 and is still climbing
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/09/25/430691/Hajj-Mecca-Stampede-Irans-Hajj-and-Pilgrimage-Organization-Saeed-Ohadi-Saudi-Arabia
WHY would the Saudi military block access to hospitals?
UPDATE: Saudi prince that caused the stampede with his security forces controls the Yemen war!
Here is what happened -
Prince Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud arrived at the site completely un announced and confronted the crowd with an entourage of over 300 people, 150 of which were heavily armed security which beyond all doubt caused a huge panic that made everyone run.
At the same time this happened, Saudi crowd control totally mismanaged the situation, and ended up blocking off the exit route that over a hundred thousand people tried to exit through, which forced them up against a streetless row of concrete houses. The fact people were diverted straight into the houses is supported by one poster's testimony that she managed to get on top of the row of houses by climbing right up the face of one before being crushed from behind. Obviously then, the ones in the front that could not scale a wall got crushed. And with piles of dead bodies in front of a row of concrete homes, it certainly looks like this was precisely the case. And from how things look now, even though the Sauds refuse to admit to a death toll higher than 717, (after initially trying to whitewash it down to less than 200) it now looks like the death toll is over 2,000, all because a prince dropped into the middle of things unannounced and freaked people out with a massive security force.
The zio press has made sure everyone elsewhere in the world thinks that this event was caused by people being on a brainless dash to "stone the devil" but now that the details are getting out, this was an oil money problem, a private army that scared the crap out of everyone.
On top of this, all the sauds appear to be doing is a whitewash rather than try to help the injured. It took them two hours to arrive at the scene and do anything at all, and when they did do something, rather than help the injured, they started carting off dead bodies and let the injured people lay on the pavement in the sun. So we probably will never get a final death count - if they put that much priority into carting off the dead, it probably means they wanted a cover up more than anything else at first, and then encountered a huge problem - too much to hide.
After combing through the comment sections and reading the posts of witnesses, it appears that it took 2 hours for help to arrive ONLY because everyone who initially came to help was diverted to protect the Prince ! Even today, the latest pictures, shows piles of bodies still mixed in with suitcases and whatever else people were carrying, (even crushed wheel chairs) which means the Sauds are clueless about the real death toll, and these bodies are going to rot before they get them moved, the response is THAT PATHETIC AND SLOW.
SAUDI LIES: They say two converging groups caused this, after they had to change course for the prince. REALITY: It is obvious that people were scared into running under the tents, encountered the concrete homes on the other side of the tents, and then piled up there. Nowhere in ANY pictures is there any convergence zone, it all happened up against the walls of concrete homes on an alley type street that went between the homes and the tents. If the Saudis were not lying, there should be a pile of bodies where two large streets converged, but instead it is a mysterious long pile of bodies in what appears to be a totally unconnected alley.
There is a huge amount of additional information on this topic (the above is a summary of many reports) HERE
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/09/28/431129/Hassan-Rouhani-General-Assembly-JCPOA
Hajj stampede whitewash
Here are the extrapolated numbers. I can't tell you how much this angers me.
Ok, a little math, to dredge the truth out of an ocean of lies.
Here goes. Extracting real numbers out of the official numbers, compliments of Iran, which was the one country that cared enough to track everyone down and know what is going on.
If Iran has 136 known dead out of approximately 2,000 reported, and 344 missing, then try to follow this:
136+344=480 probable Iranians dead. If the missing 344 were alive, they would have phoned home by now. So take the missing and add it to the known dead for a very probable actual number. Take this probable number of dead and divide it by the known dead - 480/136=3.52. So to get the real number of total dead based upon the probable under reporting of Iranian deaths, (to wash away the lie factor, which you know is probably happening,) take the 2,000 they are willing to admit to and multiply that by 3.52 (which is the actual multiple Iran's quoted deaths are short by.)
2000x3.52= 7,058 total deaths, all nations added. Most rational number. How can it be that bad? Something probably scared these people. It was not just a simple "routing error".
What could have scared these people? How about the sudden appearance of a saudi prince, with 150 armed guards telling them they can't be where they are?
Simple logic. And you will NEVER hear the truth about this, bet on it.
Mark my word - if a real investigation of this ever gets done, it will conclude the Saudi Prince caused a mass panic and between 7,000 and 8,000 people died. This is what math supports, and even if somehow Iran had a disproportionately high concentration of people in the crowd, it is extremely improbable for that to cause an error margin beyond 1.4 or so.
This event angers me so much,
--JIM STONE
Saudi army blocked all access to hospitals. UPDATE: With 2,000 confirmed dead, some countries are reporting that only 20 percent of missing people are accounted for, which means the death toll could go much higher than 2,000. This is an impossible scenario absent a massive panic - possibly caused on purpose.
The massive security forces (150 heavily armed security officers) accompanying an un scheduled visit by a Saudi Prince caused a mass panic.
As I predicted, the death toll has now hit 2,000 and is still climbing
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/09/25/430691/Hajj-Mecca-Stampede-Irans-Hajj-and-Pilgrimage-Organization-Saeed-Ohadi-Saudi-Arabia
WHY would the Saudi military block access to hospitals?
UPDATE: Saudi prince that caused the stampede with his security forces controls the Yemen war!
Here is what happened -
Prince Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud arrived at the site completely un announced and confronted the crowd with an entourage of over 300 people, 150 of which were heavily armed security which beyond all doubt caused a huge panic that made everyone run.
At the same time this happened, Saudi crowd control totally mismanaged the situation, and ended up blocking off the exit route that over a hundred thousand people tried to exit through, which forced them up against a streetless row of concrete houses. The fact people were diverted straight into the houses is supported by one poster's testimony that she managed to get on top of the row of houses by climbing right up the face of one before being crushed from behind. Obviously then, the ones in the front that could not scale a wall got crushed. And with piles of dead bodies in front of a row of concrete homes, it certainly looks like this was precisely the case. And from how things look now, even though the Sauds refuse to admit to a death toll higher than 717, (after initially trying to whitewash it down to less than 200) it now looks like the death toll is over 2,000, all because a prince dropped into the middle of things unannounced and freaked people out with a massive security force.
The zio press has made sure everyone elsewhere in the world thinks that this event was caused by people being on a brainless dash to "stone the devil" but now that the details are getting out, this was an oil money problem, a private army that scared the crap out of everyone.
On top of this, all the sauds appear to be doing is a whitewash rather than try to help the injured. It took them two hours to arrive at the scene and do anything at all, and when they did do something, rather than help the injured, they started carting off dead bodies and let the injured people lay on the pavement in the sun. So we probably will never get a final death count - if they put that much priority into carting off the dead, it probably means they wanted a cover up more than anything else at first, and then encountered a huge problem - too much to hide.
After combing through the comment sections and reading the posts of witnesses, it appears that it took 2 hours for help to arrive ONLY because everyone who initially came to help was diverted to protect the Prince ! Even today, the latest pictures, shows piles of bodies still mixed in with suitcases and whatever else people were carrying, (even crushed wheel chairs) which means the Sauds are clueless about the real death toll, and these bodies are going to rot before they get them moved, the response is THAT PATHETIC AND SLOW.
SAUDI LIES: They say two converging groups caused this, after they had to change course for the prince. REALITY: It is obvious that people were scared into running under the tents, encountered the concrete homes on the other side of the tents, and then piled up there. Nowhere in ANY pictures is there any convergence zone, it all happened up against the walls of concrete homes on an alley type street that went between the homes and the tents. If the Saudis were not lying, there should be a pile of bodies where two large streets converged, but instead it is a mysterious long pile of bodies in what appears to be a totally unconnected alley.
There is a huge amount of additional information on this topic (the above is a summary of many reports) HERE
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/09/28/431129/Hassan-Rouhani-General-Assembly-JCPOA
Hajj stampede whitewash
Here are the extrapolated numbers. I can't tell you how much this angers me.
Ok, a little math, to dredge the truth out of an ocean of lies.
Here goes. Extracting real numbers out of the official numbers, compliments of Iran, which was the one country that cared enough to track everyone down and know what is going on.
If Iran has 136 known dead out of approximately 2,000 reported, and 344 missing, then try to follow this:
136+344=480 probable Iranians dead. If the missing 344 were alive, they would have phoned home by now. So take the missing and add it to the known dead for a very probable actual number. Take this probable number of dead and divide it by the known dead - 480/136=3.52. So to get the real number of total dead based upon the probable under reporting of Iranian deaths, (to wash away the lie factor, which you know is probably happening,) take the 2,000 they are willing to admit to and multiply that by 3.52 (which is the actual multiple Iran's quoted deaths are short by.)
2000x3.52= 7,058 total deaths, all nations added. Most rational number. How can it be that bad? Something probably scared these people. It was not just a simple "routing error".
What could have scared these people? How about the sudden appearance of a saudi prince, with 150 armed guards telling them they can't be where they are?
Simple logic. And you will NEVER hear the truth about this, bet on it.
Mark my word - if a real investigation of this ever gets done, it will conclude the Saudi Prince caused a mass panic and between 7,000 and 8,000 people died. This is what math supports, and even if somehow Iran had a disproportionately high concentration of people in the crowd, it is extremely improbable for that to cause an error margin beyond 1.4 or so.
This event angers me so much,
--JIM STONE