intelligence Analysis on the Russian Plane Shootdown
by Jim Stone
Early reports said it was an SU-25 which is subsonic. Later reports said it was an SU-24, which is a high performance supersonic aircraft. An Su-24 is an entirely different situation, Russia has a very good reason to get revenge. Putin has called the attack a planned provocation. Edrogan basically admitted the shoot down by claiming he was protecting Turks from bombardment, Turks that are predominantly in a buffer zone Edrogan set up in Syria.
Previous errors posted are now corrected.
It appears confirmed Turkey has lied about EVERYTHING
It's Christmas at ground zero, there's panic in the crowd. So we'll dodge debris as we trim the tree underneath a mushroom cloud.
Now the surviving pilot has said they received no warning from Turkey, and that they were well inside Syria. A good reason to shoot them as they parachuted down I guess, shucks, missed one! Additionally TURKS OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DO MATH WHEN LYING. According to their numbers, the SU-24 was flying impossibly slow.
A good point has been made by many people about the stall speed of an Su-24, but all calculations I have seen are wrong. This has to be corrected or trolls will bash a totally legitimate point to pieces.
What I have here is more accurate than other calculations out there, which will be important for battling against trolls. More variables are included and no errors made. But everyone is right (even those who made errors are right:) Turkey lied, their story is impossible. Others reached this conclusion with easily debunked errors and when you are trying to force a point in front of trolls and others, errors are crucial. I'll get to this (but first a couple details).
The Turks released a tape of themselves telling the Russian jet to leave their airspace, and Russia then released radar records that show they never violated Turkish airspace. The tape can be faked. The radar records could be faked as well, however, there are many radars in many countries, and only one tape from Turkey. So yeah, perhaps the radar could be faked, but how many times over and how much cooperation would be needed? Nato has now said Russia did go into Turkey, but what do you expect from liars who front outfits like ISIS? And Turks violate the airspace of other nations multiple times daily, with more than 2,400 violations of Greek airspace in 2014 alone. No Turkish jets shot down . . . . Some boys just can't play fair . . . . I'll side with Russia on this one for a very good reason: The math of the situation proves Turkey lied about airspace violation anyway.
Here is the math:
According to the numbers Turkey provided, the jet was in their airspace to a depth of 1.36 miles on a path of 1.15 miles for a total of 17 seconds. Ok, let's calculate this out -
5280*1.15=6072 feet traveled. 072/17= 357 feet per second.
If 60 mph is 5280 feet per minute, that is 88 feet per second. 357/88 = 4.058 miles a minute. *60 = 243 miles per hour. Can an Su-24 even fly that slow? Hmm, let's look this up . . . . . yes, it can fly as slow as 143 mph if a landing is intended AT SEA LEVEL. But as you go up in altitude, stall speed increases because there is less air. At 18,000 feet, average atmospheric pressure is only 500 millibars, which is half that of sea level. Half the lift then . . . . . stall speed now equals 286 mph. 286 is more than 243 mph the Turkish numbers add up to, TURKISH STORY IS B.S. (others made an error here, saying 243 km/h which can be easily debunked,) THE SPEED IS MILES PER HOUR, NOT KM/H but due to the difference in lift at altitude the story still holds.
Additionally, this aircraft in all forms is designed to exceed mach 1 AT SEA LEVEL. Newer versions sacrifice speed for efficiency, and can go a max of mach 1.35 at high elevations. Old versions were much faster, able to go Mach 2 at high elevations. Both can go over mach 1 at sea level. No mention was given by Russia as to what version this was. In any case, there is no conceivable way anyone would have attempted to fly this plane at 243 mph at 18,000 feet unless they wanted to go into an uncontrolled stall and crash. Any way you cut it, 243 mph is below even world war 2 speeds and is completely ridiculously slow.
Beware of errors saying the plane was flying 243 km/h. This is inaccurate and can be easily debunked and once trolls find a straw man, they use it to bash the truth. It is a coincidence that this plane happens to have a stall speed of 243 km/h at sea level and Turkey's numbers add up to a shoot down flight speed of 243 mph. This has caused confusion.
NOT TO WORRY, Turkey still lied because this jet was at 18,000 feet, which massively increased the stall speed due to thin air at altitude. At the altitude this plane was flying, the stall speed was actually 286 MPH which makes the Turkish scenario flatly impossible, and it is inconceivable even the worst combat idiot would ever fly anywhere close to stall speed even if shot and attempting to dead stick dead engines back to base.
Nov 24 2015
Turkey shot down a Russian SU-24
Update: Pilots shot while parachuting
UPDATE: Rescue helicopter shot down
NEXT: Major war.
Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet with an air to air missile when the Russian jet was 1 KM away from the Turkish border, operating at 18,000 feet.
The shoot down is a serious issue for a couple big reasons - 1. It proves that America and America's allies fully intend to support "ISIS" to an extent which proves that ISIS is just a smokescreen for Banster funded American aggression. And 2. The Turks are no ordinary American ally. The Turks are "allies" to such an extent that they have 25 American nuclear warheads at their disposal, ON THEIR SOIL, loaded on their planes, awaiting orders from the U.S. to deliver them to targets in the area. I bet you did not know that, YES, America handed nukes to Turkey decades ago. There are also two very large NSA bases there, in Sinop and another beneath the area around Hippodrome so Turkey is in America's back pocket to say the least.
This shoot down is a huge problem because it delivered with certainty the message that has been long suspected of being true - that America and others in the region will support ISIS even if it involves destroying high value Russian targets. Shooting down a Russian fighter jet is no small issue, and it is likely to only get worse from here - how do you escalate beyond shooting down fighter jets? It is the same as shooting at an aircraft carrier.
I strongly suspect the shoot down orders were given because this particular SU-24 was threatening THE totally NEOCON-SUPPORTED ISIS terror cell and did not want it blown up. Who absolutely would escalate this type of conflict to that level if they were definitely going to get their own boys hit by an air strike that did not involve a 45 minute Obama warning (Yes, before America bombs ISIS(tm) they drop leaflets an hour ahead of time) so "David" won't be hurt. The Russians do no such favors.
If Turkey really was in the battle against ISIS, they would have welcomed the presence of a Russian aircraft fighting "ISIS" near their border. This shoot down really does say it ALL.
Nov 23 2015
Two interesting developments:
1. A high ranking figure in Dubai's government has stated in no uncertain terms that the Mossad brought down the Russian jet.
2. Russia has officially stated, not just in back room mumblings, that America is ISIS, funds ISIS, supports ISIS, the whole 9 yards. And that is quite a development, because by saying that it has basically been officially stated that Russia is at war with America, though they are using Syria as a proxy on the ground and only providing material, intelligence, and air support.
HOW CAN A BANKRUPT COUNTRY DO THIS? THEY HAVE UNLIMITED BANKSTER FUNDING OF COURSE, AS LONG AS THEY DO THE FIGHTING!
BANKSTERS USE THE FICTIONAL DEBT AS LEVERAGE SUCH AS FORCING US TO ELECT HILLARY CLINTON WHO OWES HER ALLEGIANCE TO HER FAMILY.
WHICH IS WHY NEOCON REPUBLICANS WANT TO TAKE OUT TRUMP,CRUZ AND CARSON.( CARLY DOESN'T COUNT TO THE NAZIS BECAUSE NEOCON WOMEN DO NOT RUN FOR POLITICAL OFFICE)
I find the hypocrisy of countries like France and England with regard to ISIS to be like a belly full of rotten mustard. And most likely Russia has that feeling, but just does not want to deal with it openly for the time being. But I would not be surprised if Russia's patience with ALL of it ran out fairly soon.
If France was not a bold faced liar in their supposed "war on ISIS", the Bataclan scene would have been different. If the whoever could ever pull a stunt like that one and get away with it, it really leaves room to question who really owns France.
Russia calls West's bluff - Nuclear support to Iran and Egypt
Russia will be providing nuclear enrichment equipment to Iran To allow Iran to export enriched uranium back into Russia, and will be building Egypt a new nuclear reactor. Two more nuclear reactors have already been discussed for Iran.
Iran's current gigawatt reactor would be enough to produce the fuel for many many bombs if it was designed for it, it far surpasses Dimona i and could be classified as a reactor of maximum output. If Iran really wants a bomb, they will get it one way or another. Iran has had a private nuclear program with perfectly capable nuclear engineers for decades, why no bomb yet? Sanctions cannot explain that one, the Iranians are not a bunch of pathetic retards and nukes are simple to do now. Any of the modern high speed mosfets are perfectly capable of handling the job of "nuclear switch", and the rest is just having the correct amount of fuel and neutron reflectors . . . . . plus a few other variables that any good engineer can handle. Gun nukes need only basic materials and can do a lot . . . . The fact Iran has no nukes simply means they really did not pursue them. Russia built the current reactor after many delays, and two new ones at the same location are probably on the way.
The proposed reactor in Egypt is similar, and the fact that Russia is supporting a nuclear future for Egypt and Iran speaks volumes about what Russia really thinks of ISIS, and what Russia really thinks of the entire "Islamic terror" meme. If they were worried about "terror" no Islamic country would stand a chance of getting anything nuclear from Russia, and that alone speaks volumes about who the "terrorists" really are.
I wonder what Iran will think when they see the real stuff, and learn that "centrifuges" are partially B.S. without a few cute simple add-ons.
by Jim Stone
Early reports said it was an SU-25 which is subsonic. Later reports said it was an SU-24, which is a high performance supersonic aircraft. An Su-24 is an entirely different situation, Russia has a very good reason to get revenge. Putin has called the attack a planned provocation. Edrogan basically admitted the shoot down by claiming he was protecting Turks from bombardment, Turks that are predominantly in a buffer zone Edrogan set up in Syria.
Previous errors posted are now corrected.
It appears confirmed Turkey has lied about EVERYTHING
It's Christmas at ground zero, there's panic in the crowd. So we'll dodge debris as we trim the tree underneath a mushroom cloud.
Now the surviving pilot has said they received no warning from Turkey, and that they were well inside Syria. A good reason to shoot them as they parachuted down I guess, shucks, missed one! Additionally TURKS OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DO MATH WHEN LYING. According to their numbers, the SU-24 was flying impossibly slow.
A good point has been made by many people about the stall speed of an Su-24, but all calculations I have seen are wrong. This has to be corrected or trolls will bash a totally legitimate point to pieces.
What I have here is more accurate than other calculations out there, which will be important for battling against trolls. More variables are included and no errors made. But everyone is right (even those who made errors are right:) Turkey lied, their story is impossible. Others reached this conclusion with easily debunked errors and when you are trying to force a point in front of trolls and others, errors are crucial. I'll get to this (but first a couple details).
The Turks released a tape of themselves telling the Russian jet to leave their airspace, and Russia then released radar records that show they never violated Turkish airspace. The tape can be faked. The radar records could be faked as well, however, there are many radars in many countries, and only one tape from Turkey. So yeah, perhaps the radar could be faked, but how many times over and how much cooperation would be needed? Nato has now said Russia did go into Turkey, but what do you expect from liars who front outfits like ISIS? And Turks violate the airspace of other nations multiple times daily, with more than 2,400 violations of Greek airspace in 2014 alone. No Turkish jets shot down . . . . Some boys just can't play fair . . . . I'll side with Russia on this one for a very good reason: The math of the situation proves Turkey lied about airspace violation anyway.
Here is the math:
According to the numbers Turkey provided, the jet was in their airspace to a depth of 1.36 miles on a path of 1.15 miles for a total of 17 seconds. Ok, let's calculate this out -
5280*1.15=6072 feet traveled. 072/17= 357 feet per second.
If 60 mph is 5280 feet per minute, that is 88 feet per second. 357/88 = 4.058 miles a minute. *60 = 243 miles per hour. Can an Su-24 even fly that slow? Hmm, let's look this up . . . . . yes, it can fly as slow as 143 mph if a landing is intended AT SEA LEVEL. But as you go up in altitude, stall speed increases because there is less air. At 18,000 feet, average atmospheric pressure is only 500 millibars, which is half that of sea level. Half the lift then . . . . . stall speed now equals 286 mph. 286 is more than 243 mph the Turkish numbers add up to, TURKISH STORY IS B.S. (others made an error here, saying 243 km/h which can be easily debunked,) THE SPEED IS MILES PER HOUR, NOT KM/H but due to the difference in lift at altitude the story still holds.
Additionally, this aircraft in all forms is designed to exceed mach 1 AT SEA LEVEL. Newer versions sacrifice speed for efficiency, and can go a max of mach 1.35 at high elevations. Old versions were much faster, able to go Mach 2 at high elevations. Both can go over mach 1 at sea level. No mention was given by Russia as to what version this was. In any case, there is no conceivable way anyone would have attempted to fly this plane at 243 mph at 18,000 feet unless they wanted to go into an uncontrolled stall and crash. Any way you cut it, 243 mph is below even world war 2 speeds and is completely ridiculously slow.
Beware of errors saying the plane was flying 243 km/h. This is inaccurate and can be easily debunked and once trolls find a straw man, they use it to bash the truth. It is a coincidence that this plane happens to have a stall speed of 243 km/h at sea level and Turkey's numbers add up to a shoot down flight speed of 243 mph. This has caused confusion.
NOT TO WORRY, Turkey still lied because this jet was at 18,000 feet, which massively increased the stall speed due to thin air at altitude. At the altitude this plane was flying, the stall speed was actually 286 MPH which makes the Turkish scenario flatly impossible, and it is inconceivable even the worst combat idiot would ever fly anywhere close to stall speed even if shot and attempting to dead stick dead engines back to base.
Nov 24 2015
Turkey shot down a Russian SU-24
Update: Pilots shot while parachuting
UPDATE: Rescue helicopter shot down
NEXT: Major war.
Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet with an air to air missile when the Russian jet was 1 KM away from the Turkish border, operating at 18,000 feet.
The shoot down is a serious issue for a couple big reasons - 1. It proves that America and America's allies fully intend to support "ISIS" to an extent which proves that ISIS is just a smokescreen for Banster funded American aggression. And 2. The Turks are no ordinary American ally. The Turks are "allies" to such an extent that they have 25 American nuclear warheads at their disposal, ON THEIR SOIL, loaded on their planes, awaiting orders from the U.S. to deliver them to targets in the area. I bet you did not know that, YES, America handed nukes to Turkey decades ago. There are also two very large NSA bases there, in Sinop and another beneath the area around Hippodrome so Turkey is in America's back pocket to say the least.
This shoot down is a huge problem because it delivered with certainty the message that has been long suspected of being true - that America and others in the region will support ISIS even if it involves destroying high value Russian targets. Shooting down a Russian fighter jet is no small issue, and it is likely to only get worse from here - how do you escalate beyond shooting down fighter jets? It is the same as shooting at an aircraft carrier.
I strongly suspect the shoot down orders were given because this particular SU-24 was threatening THE totally NEOCON-SUPPORTED ISIS terror cell and did not want it blown up. Who absolutely would escalate this type of conflict to that level if they were definitely going to get their own boys hit by an air strike that did not involve a 45 minute Obama warning (Yes, before America bombs ISIS(tm) they drop leaflets an hour ahead of time) so "David" won't be hurt. The Russians do no such favors.
If Turkey really was in the battle against ISIS, they would have welcomed the presence of a Russian aircraft fighting "ISIS" near their border. This shoot down really does say it ALL.
Nov 23 2015
Two interesting developments:
1. A high ranking figure in Dubai's government has stated in no uncertain terms that the Mossad brought down the Russian jet.
2. Russia has officially stated, not just in back room mumblings, that America is ISIS, funds ISIS, supports ISIS, the whole 9 yards. And that is quite a development, because by saying that it has basically been officially stated that Russia is at war with America, though they are using Syria as a proxy on the ground and only providing material, intelligence, and air support.
HOW CAN A BANKRUPT COUNTRY DO THIS? THEY HAVE UNLIMITED BANKSTER FUNDING OF COURSE, AS LONG AS THEY DO THE FIGHTING!
BANKSTERS USE THE FICTIONAL DEBT AS LEVERAGE SUCH AS FORCING US TO ELECT HILLARY CLINTON WHO OWES HER ALLEGIANCE TO HER FAMILY.
WHICH IS WHY NEOCON REPUBLICANS WANT TO TAKE OUT TRUMP,CRUZ AND CARSON.( CARLY DOESN'T COUNT TO THE NAZIS BECAUSE NEOCON WOMEN DO NOT RUN FOR POLITICAL OFFICE)
I find the hypocrisy of countries like France and England with regard to ISIS to be like a belly full of rotten mustard. And most likely Russia has that feeling, but just does not want to deal with it openly for the time being. But I would not be surprised if Russia's patience with ALL of it ran out fairly soon.
If France was not a bold faced liar in their supposed "war on ISIS", the Bataclan scene would have been different. If the whoever could ever pull a stunt like that one and get away with it, it really leaves room to question who really owns France.
Russia calls West's bluff - Nuclear support to Iran and Egypt
Russia will be providing nuclear enrichment equipment to Iran To allow Iran to export enriched uranium back into Russia, and will be building Egypt a new nuclear reactor. Two more nuclear reactors have already been discussed for Iran.
Iran's current gigawatt reactor would be enough to produce the fuel for many many bombs if it was designed for it, it far surpasses Dimona i and could be classified as a reactor of maximum output. If Iran really wants a bomb, they will get it one way or another. Iran has had a private nuclear program with perfectly capable nuclear engineers for decades, why no bomb yet? Sanctions cannot explain that one, the Iranians are not a bunch of pathetic retards and nukes are simple to do now. Any of the modern high speed mosfets are perfectly capable of handling the job of "nuclear switch", and the rest is just having the correct amount of fuel and neutron reflectors . . . . . plus a few other variables that any good engineer can handle. Gun nukes need only basic materials and can do a lot . . . . The fact Iran has no nukes simply means they really did not pursue them. Russia built the current reactor after many delays, and two new ones at the same location are probably on the way.
The proposed reactor in Egypt is similar, and the fact that Russia is supporting a nuclear future for Egypt and Iran speaks volumes about what Russia really thinks of ISIS, and what Russia really thinks of the entire "Islamic terror" meme. If they were worried about "terror" no Islamic country would stand a chance of getting anything nuclear from Russia, and that alone speaks volumes about who the "terrorists" really are.
I wonder what Iran will think when they see the real stuff, and learn that "centrifuges" are partially B.S. without a few cute simple add-ons.