@shrek9 Ok i thought of posting a excerpt from an essay by Albert camus "Homage to an Exile" which i read sometime back considering the tug of war between the traditionalists and the liberals .
"The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, and it provides the further advantage of giving the servants of tyranny a good conscience. It would be easy, however, to destroy that good conscience by shouting to them: if you want the happiness of the people, let them speak out and tell what kind of happiness they want and what kind they don't want! But, in truth, the very ones who make use of such alibis know they are lies; they leave to their intellectuals on duty the chore of believing in them and of proving that religion, patriotism, and justice need for their survival the sacrifice of freedom"
@SKS_Mumbai First nothing amuses me when indians get worried about Islamic thrests of west.West is capable of handling them FYI.Do you know in germany a major jihadi attack in dusseldorf christmas market was dismantled and trial got over in three days!Sometime back the frankurt railway station was sealed and cordoned off because of intelligence inputs . Do we have such system ? Secularism has nothing to do with jihadi attacks,jihadi buggers want to destroy any prosperous non islamic country secular or not. I know the people peddling lies here about secularism and i know they are mostly NRI's who still need a extended hindu ghetto for their ego survival.Yes this is harsh and there is no other way to say it.No one gives any "bhav" to any community in west(i will talk about europe only) and that's what pains them. Free pride is after all delicious.Regarding security western intelligence system are not so handicapped as ours so while jihadi buggers are punished a normal muslim can live a life of dignity and not discriminated .Better we stop worrying about west and start worrying about india. Christianity in modern europre is much reformed compared to mediaval times.Please dont bring in pope and his rants no one givies a shit to him .He is a moron and people dont follow him word by word .Pope till 2009 believed that condoms are anti christian so what ? It did not have any affect on their sale .Similarly he says many idiotic things but the state does not implement it and there lies the difference .Our priests uphold untouchability , brahmanic supremacy other social evils , go to prayag,puri other pilgrims and see , hindus take their religious gurus very seriously . Current hinduism is nothing but dogma stating what women should wear,what one should eat, mind numbing rituals .A normal hindu rates rituals/religion above humanity.The reason why we hear every month innumerable cases of female infanticide , molestations,honour killings .The truth is rituals have overshadowed all the good hinduism stands for in its books and it bleeds and need reforms evry badly. In a average day to life of a european religion plays no role . A normal christian will go to church every sunday,pray before lunch and be in his limits .Do you know in most of the European countries when census happens you can register yourself as atheist? Why does indian govt not propose anything like that? In Germany 34 % of population is registered atheist .As a non christian i am not discriminated against a christian on any ground. No one tells me and bother about my dress. Priests do not dictate what to eat ,what to wear even if they do i am not bound to follow . i get same food water salary as a chritian.When hinduism in india comes to this level go ahead and declare it a hindu rashtra . i will be the last one to oppose.I hope that explains my view !!!
@SKS_Mumbai Christianity in modern europre is much reformed compared to mediaval times.Please dont bring in pope and his rants no one givies a shit to him .He is a moron and people dont follow him word by word .Pope till 2009 believed that condoms are anti christian so what ? It did not have any affect on their sale .Similarly he says many idiotic things but the state does not implement it and there lies the difference .Our prients uphold untouchability , brahmanic supremacy other social evils , go to prayag * other pilgrims and see , hindus take their religious gurus very seriously . Current hinduism is nothing but dogma stating what women should wear,what one should eat, mind numbing rituals only second to islam .A normal hindu rates rituals/religion above humanity.The reason why we hear every month innumerable cases of female infanticide , molestations,honour killings .The truth is rituals have overshadowed all the good hinduism stands for in its books and it bleeds and need reforms evry badly. In a average day to life of a european religion plays no role . A normal christians will go to church every sunday,pray before lunch and be in his limits .Do you know in most of the European countries when census happens you can register yourself as atheist? I am a registed atheist.Why does indian govt not propose anything like that? In Germany 34 % of population is registered atheist .As a non christian i am not discriminated against a christian on any ground. No one tells me and bother about my dress. Priests do not dictate what to eat ,what to wear even if they do i am not bound to follow . i get same food water salary as a chritian.
When hinduism in india comes to this level go ahead
and declare it a hindu rashtra . i will be the last one to oppose.I hope that explains my view !!!